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发表于 2012-2-18 13:37 | 显示全部楼层
披发头陀 发表于 2012-2-18 13:02
建议噶瑪敦珠寧波贴一下原文和原文地址

http://geshewatch.blogspot.com/

Geshe Michael Roach's Sexual Conduct with Students

From March 3, 2000 to June 6, 2003, Geshe Michael Roach took part in a three-year retreat in Arizona along with some close students including Christie McNally, some young female laypersons and an ordained nun.

When the retreat began, news of Geshe Michael Roach's real relationship with these ladies was not generally known. Later, as some students began to investigate, it became apparent to them that Geshe Michael Roach had spent the entire three years living in the same room as Christie McNally, and had also engaged in sexual activities with four of the ladies whom accompanied him into retreat, including an ordained nun.

In order to protect the ladies concerned, we will not publish their names, apart from that of Christie McNally who now openly in a physical relationship with Geshe Michael Roach.

One young lady left the retreat early, in late 2001, due to emotional problems associated with the sexual relationship between Geshe Michael Roach and the four ladies. It was widely publicized that Geshe Michael Roach had sent her out into the world to perform a "special retreat", however this was nothing more than a lie to cover the real reason for her leaving.

Two of the ladies who had been involved in the four way sexual relationship with Geshe Michael Roach left his circle for some time. Both these ladies spoke to others about their experiences, including at least one well known high lama. At least one of them was emotionally disturbed by their experience. Both claim that Geshe Michael Roach, an ordained monk, had engaged in sexual activity with at least four of his female students both before and during the retreat. Both claim that this sexual activity was mundane, rather than any form of holy consort practice, and included watching pornography, fellatio, and more than one lady at the same time.

Both ladies returned to Diamond Mountain in 2004 where they have been placed on a pedestal and presented as Lamas to the community. It is believed that considerable emotional pressure was exerted on them to return. The ordained nun left Diamond Mountain for an extended period of time in late 2004 for undisclosed reasons.

Information volunteered by these ladies lead to Geshe Michael Roach being barred from teaching in centres of the FPMT while he was still in retreat.

Below is an open letter from a close friend of one of the ladies mentioned above, who spent considerable time with her after she left the retreat early.

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From the start I would like to state that my intentions for writing to this letter are simply to protect current and future students of Geshe Michael Roach from any type of harm or possible disillusionment in the path of the Dharma.

I in no way claim to have any direct knowledge of Geshe Michael Roach’s realizations or lack thereof. All I am offering are facts that have been told to me directly by the woman involved.

As Geshe Michael Roach repeatedly taught, it is imperative that a potential student research their Lama thoroughly before committing to them as a disciple. Therefore one has to engage a high degree of critical discernment based on ones own perceptions and the words of others.

I hope that those of you who read this might place it within that context, not taking my words to be true but putting them up against what you yourself have seen and heard regarding Geshe Michael Roach’s behavior and deciding what for you is true or not.

For close to a year I studied and worked while living at Diamond Mountain and attending to the needs of the three year retreatants, whom I had never personally met. The strength of Geshe Michael Roach’s teachings kept me inspired in my activities as well as the close relationships that I had formed with the other members of the community of practitioners. I had a great degree of respect for the nuns and the laity who were so committed in their devotion to the retreatants, sacrificing their own practice and at times their own health to see that the demands and needs of the retreatants were always met.

A few months into my stay I was allowed within the retreat boundary, at first to do some roof and deck repairs, and later to partake in the daily delivery of food. It was during this time that I first realized that Geshe Michael Roach was not alone in his yurt but was spending the duration of his three years in practice with Christie. This was an unspoken secret that was not to be shared with visitors who came through Diamond Mountain.

I really was left to my own imagination as to how exactly Geshe Michael Roach, a fully ordained monk of the Gelugpa order was maintaining his vinaya (vows) whilst sharing a small Mongolian yurt with a female student for three years.

Geshe Michael Roach was always very articulate in his teachings regarding the need to maintain a strict ethical practice, so in my mind there were partitions and the like, and of course I believed he and Christie were always meditating nicely, side by side.

If, perhaps, I slipped into a vision that this was in any way unethical for a monk, and certainly more appealing for a 28 year old man, I quickly marked it down in my little vow book as an infraction of my pure view. The reason I mention this is to address the claims that I left the community because I was uncomfortable with an ordained monk having a consort. This was of course a concern at the time, but eventually paled in comparison to the actual cause of my departure.

Life went on as usual at the center as we prepared for the upcoming Quiet Retreat teachings. It was at these teachings that I was introduced to, and quickly befriended, one of our other “holy lamas” who had been in retreat with Geshe Michael Roach but had been sent out on a sacred pilgrimage to undisclosed locations.

Within two weeks I had rented a home in Tucson and moved in with this remarkable woman, who was indeed beautiful, wise and kind. It was less than a month later that she and I were quickly packing up her van and leaving town. Without too much discussion with the general community we simply up and left. A few close friends I felt obligated to share this information with, one of them was on the Board (of Diamond Mountain), also chose to leave after years of service. Based on the truths that were revealed to us, it was, we believed, the most skillful course of action.

Without the need to get caught up in details or to reveal the names of any of the women involved, I will attempt to tell you as best as I can recollect, what was told directly to me. This from a woman who had just finished a year and a half retreat with her lama, to a man (myself) who was planning on ordaining in a few short years.

Geshe Michael Roach over a period of years had engaged in a series of sexual encounters with at least four of his closest disciples. And possibly also with his old girlfriend. He went to great lengths to keep his activities secret from the community, often times leaving the country or secretly going on retreat.

These sexual activities at times included more than one woman at a time, the viewing of pornography, and the donning of ladies undergarments by himself. One of the women involved was also ordained at the time.

These activities, at least as seen by one of the woman, had not the slightest relationship to anything sacred and felt more like, as she put it “high school sex acts”. I believe that Geshe Michael Roach actually married one of these women while somewhere in the Caribbean, it might be possible to locate the records of this act. These activities with multiple woman lasted for many months until Christie, Geshe Michael Roach’s current consort, demanded that they stop and that she was to be his only partner.

I make no claims as to the whether or not these are the manifestations of enlightened behavior. That is for each of you to research on your own. It is through the encouragement of many teachers of various Buddhist lineages, including the Dalai Lama, that I have shared with you this information. For the sake of the women involved, all of whom are still very active in Geshe Michael Roach’s community, I ask that this information be used merely by each of you as individual practitioners to make the best possible choices as regards your inner lives and whom you choose to study with.

One last note. It is with great sadness that I have had to write this letter. Geshe Michael Roach was a remarkable teacher of the Dharma to myself and thousands of other individuals. He inspired so many beings to pursue the path through study and retreat. These good acts are unmistaken. Whether the personal actions of a teacher enhance or diminish the import of their teachings is a question that each of us must answer on our own. I have made my decision, now I hope that you can more clearly make yours.

Name withheld by request


发表于 2012-2-18 13:59 | 显示全部楼层
妖邪假设小雷音
若入其门枉费身
发表于 2012-2-18 14:05 | 显示全部楼层
善了个哉的!
发表于 2012-2-18 21:11 | 显示全部楼层
谢谢 景宗 及 噶玛师兄
发表于 2012-2-18 21:21 | 显示全部楼层
当初要他去做生意的时候,让他先还俗不就什么问题都没了吗?现在出事了,再拿出来大力批判

他自己固然有责任,但不仅仅他有责任!
发表于 2012-2-18 21:28 | 显示全部楼层
在外国出家的和尚尼师大多都沒人供养的, 要打工/当小老板维生...
发表于 2012-2-18 21:45 | 显示全部楼层
在我印象中,在他的书中开始提到是他师父建议他去做生意的 假如真是如此 他的师父和很多当初拿他做生意的钱花费的大德,就没有能力判断他是否有可能会在红尘中腐化?

所以我个人觉得,假如事实如此,他现在的情况,不仅仅是他的责任,也不要仅仅指责他一个人,要指责的话,他的师父还有其他一些人,也脱不了干系
发表于 2012-2-18 21:54 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 了了 于 2012-2-18 21:55 编辑
般若月 发表于 2012-2-18 21:45
在我印象中,在他的书中开始提到是他师父建议他去做生意的 假如真是如此 他的师父和很多当初拿他做生意的钱 ...

所以我个人觉得,假如事实如此,他现在的情况,不仅仅是他的责任,也不要仅仅指责他一个人,要指责的话,他的师父还有其他一些人,也脱不了干系

你这个说法很危險...
发表于 2012-2-18 22:00 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 噶瑪敦珠寧波 于 2012-2-18 22:01 编辑
般若月 发表于 2012-2-18 21:21
当初要他去做生意的时候,让他先还俗不就什么问题都没了吗?现在出事了,再拿出来大力批判

他自己固然有责 ...


让他先还俗??
聽不懂您在說啥?
还俗並不需要任何人的同意
只要跟人說"我要還俗",yes,你就自由了

发表于 2012-2-18 22:03 | 显示全部楼层
我不清楚的是,当初他要去做钻石生意,是他自己突发奇想跑去做的 还是他师父建议他去的?
发表于 2012-2-18 22:13 | 显示全部楼层
般若月 发表于 2012-2-18 21:45
在我印象中,在他的书中开始提到是他师父建议他去做生意的 假如真是如此 他的师父和很多当初拿他做生意的钱 ...

看清楚~他师傅没授权他去做生意~
发表于 2012-2-18 22:13 | 显示全部楼层
般若月 发表于 2012-2-18 21:45
在我印象中,在他的书中开始提到是他师父建议他去做生意的 假如真是如此 他的师父和很多当初拿他做生意的钱 ...

帖子已經寫啦
他的朋友教授Robert Thurman,女星烏瑪·瑟曼的父親,也是名還俗的前僧人,懇求他捨戒,並停止披袈裟。Michael Roach拒絕,兩人陷入冷戰。
對還俗沒常識就罷了,看帖子要認真嘛
不認真就罷了,對  宗座,梭巴仁波切,堪索仁波切不敬,是怎樣?
发表于 2012-2-18 22:17 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 般若月 于 2012-2-18 22:22 编辑

楼上这位朋友难道看不懂我的意思?我想请你解释一下的不是什么还俗不还俗,而是当初是他自己突发奇想,还是他师父或是别的什么人建议他去做生意的?

假如确实是他自己不能忍受出家修道的生活,找个做钻石生意的理由回到红尘里去厮混,那此后的一切就是他自己的责任

假如他原本是正常出家修行,别的人,比如他师父(我依稀记得他的书里是这样的意思)建议他回红尘去做钻石生意,那么,他此后的堕落,就不仅仅是他一个人的责任

这难道不是很明白吗?

关系到对大德的敬意吗?即是大德的抉择出了错误,那也是错误.既然要把此人批倒,那就好好地追究一下,他的堕落,究竟是不是他一个人的责任
发表于 2012-2-18 22:25 | 显示全部楼层
般若月 发表于 2012-2-18 21:45
在我印象中,在他的书中开始提到是他师父建议他去做生意的 假如真是如此 他的师父和很多当初拿他做生意的钱 ...

那有人去犯強姦罪,是不是要把他祖宗八代罵一遍?
還有
很多当初拿他做生意的钱花费的大德
您是啥意思?說明白

之前您在四護衛禪的帖子對供養護法一事影射來影射去的,已經很讓我無言了,真的是

发表于 2012-2-18 22:26 | 显示全部楼层
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