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驳《就空性见的一些问题与宝僧师商榷》答文

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发表于 2005-12-29 10:31 | 显示全部楼层
<P class=MsoPlainText style="TEXT-JUSTIFY: inter-ideograph; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; LAYOUT-GRID-MODE: char; TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><FONT size=3><SPAN lang=ZH-TW><FONT face=MingLiU>谢谢空谈兄的辛劳,</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-ascii-font-family: MingLiU; mso-hansi-font-family: &#39;Courier New&#39;">让我也长了点知识:)</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US style="mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN"><?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=MsoPlainText style="TEXT-JUSTIFY: inter-ideograph; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; LAYOUT-GRID-MODE: char; TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><FONT size=3><SPAN lang=ZH-TW><FONT face=MingLiU>我也找到</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-ascii-font-family: MingLiU; mso-hansi-font-family: &#39;Courier New&#39;">《</SPAN><SPAN lang=ZH-TW><FONT face=MingLiU>缘起赞五十八颂</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-ascii-font-family: MingLiU; mso-hansi-font-family: &#39;Courier New&#39;">》</SPAN><SPAN lang=ZH-TW><FONT face=MingLiU>(</FONT></SPAN><SPAN lang=ZH-TW style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 文鼎古印體; mso-hansi-font-family: &#39;Courier New&#39;">昂旺朗吉堪布口授</SPAN><SPAN lang=ZH-TW style="FONT-FAMILY: 文鼎古印體; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN"><FONT face=MingLiU> </FONT></SPAN><SPAN lang=ZH-TW style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 文鼎古印體; mso-hansi-font-family: &#39;Courier New&#39;">郭</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-ascii-font-family: 文鼎古印體; mso-hansi-font-family: &#39;Courier New&#39;">和卿译)中有类似论述,只是宝僧师还得证明一下自己说的“</SPAN><SPAN lang=ZH-TW style="COLOR: #ff6600; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体"><FONT face=MingLiU>所謂“不依緣起”意指那些不依觀待而有的真實存在</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-ascii-font-family: MingLiU; mso-hansi-font-family: &#39;Courier New&#39;">”里面“缘起”的意思不是“因缘生”,那么江译师就不能将“不依缘起”和广论说的所破太狭“</SPAN><SPAN lang=ZH-TW style="mso-bidi-font-family: MingLiU"><FONT face=MingLiU>自性非由因緣所生</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-family: MingLiU; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-ascii-font-family: MingLiU; mso-hansi-font-family: &#39;Courier New&#39;">”等同而破斥宝僧师了。(这个看来容易)然后为免其他妨难,宝僧师还得证明</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-ascii-font-family: 文鼎古印體; mso-hansi-font-family: &#39;Courier New&#39;">“</SPAN><SPAN lang=ZH-TW style="COLOR: #ff6600; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体"><FONT face=MingLiU>“不依緣起”意指那些不依觀待而有的真實存在</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-ascii-font-family: MingLiU; mso-hansi-font-family: &#39;Courier New&#39;">”是应成派所破,这个看来不那么易</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US style="mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=MsoPlainText style="TEXT-JUSTIFY: inter-ideograph; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; LAYOUT-GRID-MODE: char; TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><SPAN lang=EN-US style="mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN"><FONT face=MingLiU><FONT size=3>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></SPAN></P><P class=MsoPlainText style="TEXT-JUSTIFY: inter-ideograph; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; LAYOUT-GRID-MODE: char; TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><FONT size=3><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-ascii-font-family: MingLiU; mso-hansi-font-family: &#39;Courier New&#39;">《</SPAN><SPAN lang=ZH-TW><FONT face=MingLiU>缘起赞五十八颂</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-ascii-font-family: MingLiU; mso-hansi-font-family: &#39;Courier New&#39;">》</SPAN><SPAN lang=ZH-TW><FONT face=MingLiU>(</FONT></SPAN><SPAN lang=ZH-TW style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 文鼎古印體; mso-hansi-font-family: &#39;Courier New&#39;">昂旺朗吉堪布口授郭</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-ascii-font-family: 文鼎古印體; mso-hansi-font-family: &#39;Courier New&#39;">和卿译)中相关论述如下:</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-FAMILY: 文鼎古印體; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=MsoPlainText style="TEXT-JUSTIFY: inter-ideograph; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; LAYOUT-GRID-MODE: char; TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-ascii-font-family: 文鼎古印體"><FONT size=3>然内外学人有承认缘起者,有不承认缘起者,一切外道皆不承认缘起,内道婆沙部、经部、唯识家,皆承认缘起,而程序不同。即于有为法承认缘起,于无为法不承认缘起,唯识家以依因与缘而有者为缘起法,以其以依缘而有为缘起,故于有为法上见其为缘起,于无为法上不见其为缘起。中观二派皆以依因依缘与自支分而有者为缘起,有为无为二法皆属缘起。自续派对于唯识依因缘而有为缘起一分自属相同,唯以自支分亦属缘起一分,较唯识略有增广。应成派则于因缘及支分为缘起二分上,更以分别心于立名处安立假名而起之种种法相为缘起。</FONT></SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-FAMILY: 文鼎古印體; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-hansi-font-family: 宋体"><BR><FONT face=MingLiU><FONT size=3>。。。。。。。<o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></SPAN></P><P class=MsoPlainText style="TEXT-JUSTIFY: inter-ideograph; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; LAYOUT-GRID-MODE: char; TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-ascii-font-family: 文鼎古印體"><FONT size=3>藏文敦则二字,在印度文则为扎这打、桑墨八打雅,扎这打,译云,有牵引、凭籍、依倚三义,桑墨八打雅,译之为生起义,并含有成就义。唯识家据名译义,以为此语意谓诸法由因与缘牵引生起,故此语诠有为法,非诠无为法。中观自续派则以为扎这打,不但有牵引义,尚有凭籍义,此语意谓诸法由因缘牵引自支分,一人与一个相凭借而生起,故包有为无为二法在内。天清派(</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-ascii-font-family: 文鼎古印體; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">即应成派</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-ascii-font-family: 文鼎古印體"><FONT size=3>)则以为扎这打尚有依倚一义,此语意谓诸法不但因缘牵引自支分相凭籍,且须依分别心安立假名而始生起,如是解释缘起方为完足,故天清派设立二义:一、一切法缘起为无自性二、一切法唯由分别依假名而起为无自性。宗喀大师则许第二义,以谓能通此义,则一切相违义悉能摧毁。。。。</FONT></SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US style="mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
发表于 2005-12-29 10:33 | 显示全部楼层
<FONT size=4>看辩论,学经论,也是乐事,呵呵<IMG src="http://www.gelu.org/bbs/images/Emotions/57.gif"></FONT>
发表于 2005-12-29 10:44 | 显示全部楼层
是啊。这些问题以前从来没有这么细致过。<br><br>对于宗喀巴大师不共的殊胜,有了更多了解<br>
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